Bert Martinez:
Well, cool, man. I’m excited to talk to you.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Excellent.
Bert Martinez:
All right, so I got to ask you this, because methylene blue goes from being a industrial fabric dye to somehow this super fuel to advance human performance. Talk about this.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Yeah. It has a long history to get there, Bert. It’s not something that happened overnight. It happened over 130 years, just about. Methylene blue started off in the 1870s as a creation in the textile manufacturing world to make things. Things blue. It was a textile dye, and it would dye blue jeans blue. So back in the 1870s, if you picked up a pair of Levi Strauss jeans, you would have had a pair dyed with methylene blue.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
And from there, it was at a time where there were no antimicrobials around. There was no antibiotics. So if you had an infection, if your body didn’t take care of it, well, goodbye. Right. And this is why life expectancy, one of the major reasons why life expectancy at the turn of. From the 18th to the 1800s to the 1900s was around 50 years old. 5, 0. This is hygiene and infection, Right? And so methylene blue was one of these compounds that they were testing in the 1870s and 80s, and they realized, like, oh, my God, this particular compound, you could give it at very, very high doses to a human.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
It would kill pathogens, but it wouldn’t harm the human host, which was, like, amazing. And that’s why it actually got the term magic bullet at the time, because you could use it for those cases of infection. And so, in fact, in 1897, methylene blue was the first drug registered with the FDA at that time and specifically for the treatment of malaria. And between about 1897 and 1950s, when penicillin came around, it was the premier antimicrobial, antifungal, antibacterial, even antiviral. Even up until the 1970s and 80s, if you lived in a Soviet bloc country and you had a throat infection as a child, your mom, probably your mom would paint the back of your throat with methylene blue because it was a treatment for viral infections. And so we know it is a fantastic antimicrobial. And that’s coming back around now, and we can talk about that later. But when penicillin came around, everybody’s like, well, this methylene blue stuff, it was cool, but it also makes all of our urine blue, so we don’t want to use it.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Anymore kind of thing. And so it’s stopped, become becoming as utilized after the 1950s. But fun story about World War II. If you were going to the Pacific, if you were fighting Japan on that side of the front, you were taking prophylactic methylene blue for, to fight on some of the islands there that were more jungle jungles and causing fungal infections. And so they had actually stories and songs about going blue in the loo, so going, you know, blue in the bathroom. Right. So, and so it had a very storied history back then. And then after the 1950s it had a different sort of chapter epochs, whatever you want to call it, where less involved in infection.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
We got more interested in how it worked in the, in the brain and how it increased norepinephrine and serotonin and dopamine, some of those neurotransmitters, and also how you could use it in cellular staining. So you could use it and look at a cell under a microscope and you’d find that methylene blue would concentrate in the part of the cell called the mitochondria. And this is where it gets interesting, right? This is the part of the cell that we have in our body that makes energy. And we have thousands of mitochondria in some cells and we have very few mitochondria in other cells. We didn’t learn it this way in, in high school. My daughter, who’s 15, learned there was one mitochondria in the cell. But no, actually your reproductive organs, your eggs and your sperm have the most mitochondria per cell. Your brain, your heart, your liver, your musculoskeletal tissue that’s kind of in, in the order of operations, but thousands of mitochondria per cell.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
So it’s a huge amount of energy that we need to make in our body, especially in those places, to maintain our, our function, our capacity. And so what methylene blue does, and now we have a very good understanding of this, especially over the last 20 or 30 years as it, it concentrates in the mitochondria and makes our mitochondria work better. It does this by helping with energy production and it also helps with detoxification too. Because when we make energy in our cells and this is not a free ride, it’s like having a gasoline powered car. Our cells make ATP, which is our energy currency. We make about £150 of energy ATP every single day. So a huge amount of this. But we don’t.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Yeah, we not only just make energy ATP, we make carbon dioxide Water. So we breathe off the carbon dioxide, it goes to the plants. The plants makes it make oxygen. Everybody remembers this, right? The cycle of life, one of the cycles of life. But we also make, we also make reactive oxygen species which are these free radicals that are. Okay in small amounts. This is, these are really important. They help signal our mitochondria, help to sort of sense understanding of that they need to make more or less energy, but too many of them can make the system break down.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
And so where methylene blue comes in, is it more like an electric powered car? It helps with energy production and detoxification at the same time. So it doesn’t cause a lot of stress on the system when you’re bringing it in and helps support the mitochondria. So there’s your tour of, of methylene blue’s history in five minutes or less. I hope so.
Bert Martinez:
I think so, yes. You know, and I had done a little bit of research, so I had, I did not know about the Levi story, but I had gotten, you know, like, again, like I mentioned, it’s this industrial dye that it seems like these doctors or these researchers were like, hey, let’s just try anything. And they just threw this dye in there and they said, oh, look, look at that. Let’s, let’s try this, let’s try that. So if you were meeting somebody who had never heard of methylene blue, what would you tell them? How do you describe methylene blue?
Dr. Scott Sherr:
The short story for most of the people that I work with and when I describe it is that methylene blue is a fantastic mitochondrial optimizer at low doses, increasing energy and detoxification. And at high doses, it is a fantastic antimicrobial. And it doesn’t work like an antibiotic where if you took an antibiotic for an infection, it wipes out your gut microbiota, it wipes out all of your gut microbes. That’s like a nuclear bomb. It’s like Hiroshima for your gut. Where methylene blue comes in, it’s much more selective as an antimicrobial, so it doesn’t have that same detrimental effect on your microbiota. So in short, mitochondrial optimization and a premier antimicrobial, depending on the dose and the indication.
Bert Martinez:
Okay, so again, in my research, I found these guys.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Yes, that’s my company. Transcriptions. Yeah, there you go.
Bert Martinez:
That’s why you’re here, right?
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bert Martinez:
And it comes in, in, it comes in these trochees.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Yep.
Bert Martinez:
Right. And, and there’s like getting, I’m getting another shipment in today. So that’s why I’m out.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
I have a couple here. I can show on them. Yeah. To make it so people can see it. But yeah, they look like this. Um, and they’re, they’re scored. So you can see one of mine’s cut there. So they have a scoring marker in the middle.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
So you can take a quarter, a half or a full. And the trochee is pretty cool because it’s, it’s designed as a dissolvable lozenge that can be put between your upper cheek and gum. And what’s nice about that is that it’s very fast acting within about five to 10 minutes. And it bypasses digestion. So if you have digestive issues, it bypasses those and digestion is also slow. Right. Um, and in addition, digestion also usually degrades the, the activity, the availability of certain compounds when they go through that system. That being said, methylene blue is one of the exceptions.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
And this is a good thing because if you dissolve methylene blue in your mouth, well, just like it. It was dying those Levi Strauss genes, it’s going to dye the inside of your mouth blue as well. And so that is not what everybody likes. And I totally understand that. And the good news is that methylene blue is so bioavailable, which means it’s so active that you can swallow it and get the same benefits as if you took it in the mouth too. The only difference is that it works faster in the mouth. And so some of my patients with chronic brain fog, chronic infection with brain fog especially, they seem to do very well with it in the mouth. And they, you know, the benefit is outweighs the risk in this case of having a blue mouth.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
We have different ways to mitigate that. You can do hot liquids, you can do Matcha specifically, you can do baking soda and things. You can brush your teeth. That’s going to help, but it’s going to take some time for the blue to go away. I don’t know what your experience has been, but. Or have used it, but I typically have people swallow it on an empty stomach and then eat about 20 or 30 minutes later because that kind of like allows the nothing but to get through the system and metabolize and get in to the body faster that way.
Bert Martinez:
Yeah, so I’ve done both. I’ve done the, the buckle, the. What do you call it?
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Buckle. Buckle. Buckle, yeah. And then.
Bert Martinez:
And it does it, it paints everything blue and it’s. It’ll stay blue for a couple, two or three hours. It’s pretty Potent. But let me ask you this, you’re saying that having it dissolve in your mouth is faster or better explain the difference, why one is, is superior to the other.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Sure. So. So I’m an internal medicine physician, I’ve been in practice a long time. And in my world there are these places called compounding pharmacies. So this is not your CVS or Walgreens, this kind of local, typically it’s a mom and pop shop. These are not franchise or anything like that. Like that, at least not yet. They probably will be.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
But the compounding pharmacies, they can actually make one off combinations for patients directly for them, like certain milligram dosage or certain combinations of certain medications and supplements. And so they’ve been using this thing called the buccal trochee for a long time. A buccal trochee is designed very specifically to dissolve in the mouth as I described it, because buckle troche is between your upper cheek and gum. There’s about eight layers of mucosa up here. And as a result of that, that you get a slow release of the ingredients from the trochee into the, into the body. And that’s great for most compounds because most compounds will have a significant lack or decrease in bioavailability when they go through your stomach, your small intestine and then your liver in something called first pass metabolism. So your liver tends to break things down and detoxify things. And so the advantage of a buckle trochee for the most part is that the ingredients stay more potent.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
So they’re higher, they’re more active. Um, they’re also. It’s going to be faster, right, because you’re dissolving in the mouth directly into the mucosa of your bloodstream. Your mucosa is directly into your bloodstream of your, like the vascular aspect, if anybody’s been punched in the mouth, they know your cheek is pretty vascular, for example. And then we also make the troche score. So you could take a quarter, you can take a half, you can take a full and kind of find exactly what dose works for you. But the exception. So all of our products actually at transcriptions are in the buckle troche form and most of them are much better in the mouth because if we have multiple ingredients in there, if they’re really any other ingredient than methylene blue, to be honest, loses bioavailability, loses potency.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
But pure methylene blue is almost a hundred percent bioavailable, which means that is the exception where you can swallow it and still get the Same systemic full body benefits, but the effects will be slower as compared to if you had dissolved it in the mouth. That’s really the difference. So in general, I love the buckle turkey. Almost all of our products at prescriptions I use in the buccal cavity. Even one called blue canadine, which is a little bit of methylene blue with caffeine, nicotine and cbd. And so that combination, because nicotine and caffeine are very fast acting in the mouth, you’ll feel focus, productivity, getting into that flow state within about five to 10 minutes, typically. So even though your mouth will get a little bit blue that way, because your mouth will have the methylene blue in there, it’s not a lot of methylene blue. So the key is, if you’re going to do that one and put in the mouth, is that you park it there, you don’t move it.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Okay. And you don’t talk while it’s in your mouth. Those are the keys to successful keeping it quarantine in one side of your mouth and not, you know, letting it spread to the whole mouth kind of.
Bert Martinez:
Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. All right, so I want to come back and talk about the canine.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Yeah, yeah.
Bert Martinez:
Okay.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Yeah.
Bert Martinez:
And, and, but okay, so methylene blue, you know, it’s gotten a lot of attention. What, what is the difference? Because you mentioned several times the low dosage versus high dosage. When am I using one versus the other?
Dr. Scott Sherr:
The majority of us will be using low doses. That range is around 4 to 8 milligrams to about 25 milligrams. So that’s the dose that really supports mitochondrial function, really supports and detox. So what are you going to feel? Typically, people that take methylene blue at these doses will feel that their energy is just elevated. It’s not stimulated like you’re on caffeine or using our blue counting, for example, which is more stimulating. It’s just you feel elevated, like your whole body and your whole day is just higher. Like you have a higher capacity and you have more reserve as well. And so you’ll feel like you have more energy, more endurance.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
If you have inflammation, typically that those inflammatory symptoms will typically get better. If you’re having brain fog or concentration problems, you find your brain is just able to operate at a higher capacity for longer. And so, so that’s the dosing that I use primarily for patients that I work with and also, you know, recommend usually, because the crazy statistics out there, Bert, are really, they’re daunting. Where 94% of US adults have some element of mitochondrial dysfunction. So their mitochondria don’t work well either making energy or tolerating that. Those waste products, the reactive oxygen species that I was talking about before. And so there’s a huge spectrum here. If you’re somebody with long Covid or fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue and autoimmune condition, you have severe mitochondrial dysfunction.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
It’s just part of the process, unfortunately, and, like, one of the base levels of why everything is not working very well. But there’s also people like, you know, that are in their middle ages, and they’re. They’re. Their hormones are changing and their testosterone is lower than it was, or. Or their progesterone and estrogen. Or estrogen are dropping, and their mitochondria under a lot of stre as a result of that. And then that causes a lot of. A lot of challenges with mitochondrial function.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
And the elephant in the room for all of us these days, Bert, is just what I call the sympathetic spiral of doom, which is this pattern of, dun, dun, dun. Sorry, everybody, but it’s not a diagnosis. It’s a pattern where so many of us are just stuck in that fight or flight mode all the time. We don’t know how to rest or relax anymore. And in our culture, really just really, really reward these kinds of things, reward these kinds of behaviors. And in medical school, for example, my colleagues, my friends and I in medical school had shirts made that said, sleep is for quitters. Right? Because that’s the culture. You’ll sleep when you’re dead.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
The hustle. I grew up outside of. Not in New York City, outside of New York City, but, you know, the culture of the city that never sleeps. And so. And then we have all these sort of stresses that we put on ourselves from work, from family relationships, you know, et cetera, that just throw us into this sort of fight or flight thing all the time. And that really does stress our mitochondria a lot. And so the real key here is that if we want to calm down our nervous system and, like, calm down, which we don’t tell people to do. Don’t tell your wife or partner to calm down, please, everybody.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
That doesn’t work. Believe me, I know this. And I’m sure Bert has experience too many of you listening. You want to support their capacity to make energy better. Because if you tell somebody to calm down or you calm them down, because you don’t tell them to calm down, but you help them calm down with something, right? But they don’t have enough support in Their energy capacity, they’re going to crash. And I’ve seen this in clinical practice a lot.
Bert Martinez:
Yes. And, and I think that, get your take on this. I think part of the issue is we have now switch from whole foods to processed foods. And you see, this shocks me. I mean, first of all, you see these toddlers, first of all, they, they have, they have a phone. Who would give a toddler a phone? But, and not only do they have a phone, but you’ll see toddlers that are, that are walking around with, with Starbucks, one of those Frappuccinos, and it’s like, really, what are you doing? Which begs the questions that not everybody should be, not everybody should be a parent or whatever. It’s not apparent that everybody should be a parent. Right.
Bert Martinez:
So I think that the more we consume these horrible foods, these, I call them fake foods. Mariel Hemingway, I interviewed her a few years ago, she used to call them noisy foods foods. And I thought that’s, I thought that was a great adjective, that these processed foods, these highly processed foods are pouring chemicals into our bodies. It’s making it harder for our bodies to live, I guess. And you know, we’re having more mental issues and into your point about the grinding type of never sleep mentality, it’s very difficult to turn on a TV show and not watch them either consuming tons of caffeine or some kind of energy drink or something. And, and energy drinks now are some kind of close to a, I think, two billion dollar market. It’s crazy, but I think that our government does a poor job of reining in these horrible foods because, you know, these companies are smart and they contribute to all these, quote, lawmakers. Right?
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Yeah, there’s the, it’s like the, the pharmacologic food industrial complex. There’s some sort of, you know, trifecta here that you’re talking about. And what, I mean, what a lot of people in my, in my position talk about there is that we’re, we have so many calories out there available for us, but so many of them are actually, we actually are malnourished when it comes to our vitamins, our minerals, our actual capacity to do things that our cells need to do because we’re getting empty calories of processed food, inflammatory foods, et cetera. So you have very obese people that have, that are malnourished, that are actually nutrient deficient. So even though they have a huge amount of weight on them, they’re in significant deficits of what they actually need. And this is, it’s, it’s an issue that we’ve exported across the entire world, unfortunately, here in the United States. And so, you know, we are undernourished even though we’re overfed. And that’s the other way that it’s often talked about.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
The, the problem is that our biology, Bert, is not programmed to be able to deal with these kinds of foods. I mean, this is everything going back to McDonald’s hamburgers, right? The most beautiful combination of fat, crunch, you know, protein, everything. It’s like carbohydrates, it’s like this, it’s just this explosion of orgasm in your mouth, right? And that’s what these companies are trying to do, because if they do that, you turn off your hunger sensors because this is something that you’ve never seen in nature. And they’ve designed in a lab with 50 different chemicals to perfectly create this crunch, spice. And look, it’s glorious, right? Because that’s what they’re able to leverage is our biology. And so we’ve been leveraged, we’ve been hacked, we’ve been, you know, we’ve been put on this train because of hyper palatable foods. And this also actually started from World War II, where they had to make hyper palatable foods where they were nutrient dense for soldiers. And then what happened after the war where they had to sell them everybody else, right? And so, and that’s really what happened with Crisco, for example.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Like, that’s the classic example of industrial chemicals and other things and even seed oils that were used. Like, what do we do with these? Let’s feed them, the people, like that kind of thing. And so it’s a really difficult place to be in as a consumer because it’s very difficult to know what to do. I mean, there’s a thousand different types of diets and there’s a million different types of books on each of them, right? It’s like, what do you follow? What do you do? And it’s difficult for people to piece out. So, you know, for me, I always try to go back to the basics. And you kind of mentioned this before, right? Like, and something that we hear a lot, like, what would your grandmother have cooked you back in the 1940s or 50s? Like, that’s probably closer to what she should be eating, right? And, and knowing also that as we get older, these meat suits, avatars, whatever that we wear, they weren’t really supposed to be around after about 40 or 50 years of age because we would have died of starvation, infection, trauma, et cetera. And so there was Always people that lived older. There’s always the centenarians. There’s always people that lived into 80, exception to the rule, always.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
And they had to. Right, because there always had to be certain people that lived long enough to tell the villagers, like the young people, the continuity of the stories and et cetera, et cetera, you know, all those things. But if you want to live a long time, not only do you have to optimize your nutrition and do that, you also have to realize that you’re living on borrowed time after about 40 or 50 years of age, and so that you’re already at a deficit because the food is not as good as it was 50 or 60 years ago. But then you have to be thinking about, what else am I going to do now? Like, what labs are going to check? Like, you have to really be really on top of it if you want to keep your make and model, you know, not, you know, your, your model T off the thing. And you’re still trying to use the same tools, you know, that kind of thing.
Bert Martinez:
Right, right. Well, and to your point, look at, look where we’re at now, where we can. It is common to replace knees. It’s common to. What do you call it? Live so much longer that. That causes its own issues because.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Right.
Bert Martinez:
I’ve replaced both my knees and whatever. I’m 80, 90, 100 years old, which is great in one sense, but. But it causes other issues to, to try to sustain a certain quality of life. And at some time. You know, my point is, you know, sooner or later, it’s okay to check out. I mean, again, not, not to keep picking on our lawmakers, but we have certain lawmakers that, you know, they’re, They’re. You can look at them and you can tell they’re just exhausted. Mentally, physically, spiritually.
Bert Martinez:
They’re not there anymore. They’re.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Right.
Bert Martinez:
They’re being wheeled into the, the Capitol building and they can barely speak. And it’s like, let it go. I mean, if you want to, you know, either retire out of office or pull the plug on yourself or, you know, not to be cruel, but at a certain point, it’s like anything else, you become less effective. And, and so I think, yeah, what
Dr. Scott Sherr:
I would say that, that, Bert, is that it’s not something that you have to just say, okay, that’s what it’s going to be. There’s lots of things that you can do.
Bert Martinez:
Yes.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
To help support your brain, to support your, your, your, Your physical capacity. Don’t. At this point, even though people talk about living 250 or whatever, there’s no indication that’s going to happen right now. But can you do something called morbidity compression, which is live as long as you can as health use as you can and then die very quickly. And that’s what the goal of health span really is, which is that you live as healthy as you can for as long as you can. And that’s really the goal for all of us. You can have an optimized brain in your 80s and 90s and you can die a couple weeks later after you get like a bad pneumonia or whatever. Right? So like that’s kind of what my goal is, at least personally and also for the patients that I work with is that you’re not, it’s not set in stone that your brain’s gonna start deteriorating when you’re in your 50s or 60s.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
It doesn’t have to be that way, right. If you optimize your vitamins, your minerals, your nutrients, you optimize your connections and your stress and you can significantly improve your quality of life. And we know this from people that live those ages around the world and have their vital up until their 80s and 90s in places in Japan and, and in Italy. And these are your classic blue zones. I don’t know believe in, you know, there’s a lot of political things that have happened because of the blue zones over the years that everybody doesn’t need to eat. Nobody should eat meat. Like that’s not true. They all eat meat.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Like nobody should eat bread. No, they all be bread. Nobody should drink alcohol. No, they all drink alcohol. Right. And so it’s not about those things. The biggest thing there is connection. The biggest thing is having a community where you have an inclusion.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Even if you’re, you know, in your 80s and 90s, maybe you’re going out and, you know, picking a couple vegetables every day and not the whole, you know, the whole thing, but you’re doing something right. And so the biggest, you’re going for long walks and you, like you said, connection.
Bert Martinez:
You’re, you’re with a group of people, like minded people that maybe you’re doing some exercise together and, and you’re hanging out together. And I think that does make a huge difference. But I think also I have friends of mine that are gluten sensitive, which again is something that is fairly new for us this. But then when they go to Europe, speaking of bread, they go to Europe and those sensitivities go away. And, and I think that again back to our government, bless their heart, because if we have enough money as a business, we can hire the lobbyist that will put our position forward. And. And so we get away with a little.
Bert Martinez:
Little bit more or whatever you want to call that. But they’re. They’re, again, back to the processed foods, that there are some chemicals in these foods that really should not be interacting with humans. And. But again, our. Our government allows it, and some other governments in Europe don’t, and I think that that helps.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Yeah. The gluten story is interesting, right? Because there’s actually a lot of people will say this where they have bread in Europe, and it’s no problem compared to living in here in the United States. There’s a couple things going on there. I mean, number one, they don’t use glyphosate, which is, you know, roundup here in the United States. They don’t use it there. In addition, when you’re over there, most of the bread, a lot of it at least, is made by hand or very. In small. In small batches.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
So they’re using, like, three ingredients, bread, water, and yeast, instead of the 17 that you might find on your loaf at the store. Um, in addition, you’re traveling. You’re on vacation. Your sympathetic nervous system is like, this is great. I’m relaxed. And you’re also typically walking and moving a ton more than you would’ve otherwise when you were in your sedentary home and, you know, going three steps from your computer to your kitchen and then back throughout the day. So there’s a lot of things at play here, you know, but I think there, it’s. It’s sort of multifactorial, right? So when I talk to patients about this, I really try to throw it into that context.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
And so. But. And for everybody, it’s a little bit different. But certainly we didn’t have gluten sensitivity 50 years ago. Right. And. And other things. And so I think what it is.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
It’s sort of the way I would describe it, Bert, is like, it’s more of a. Like a toxic load in totality, where we just have a huge amount of toxicity that we’re subject to. So much younger now, I have a colleague of mine that calls it everybody having their own bucket size of toxicity that they can handle. Some people have a very small bucket, depending on their genetics and environment, but mostly genetics, and then other people have a large bucket. This is your George Burns, right? Everybody remember George Burns smoking cigars until he was in 90s, and, you know, on stage singing and, you know, cracking jokes, right? And so that person, George Burns in this case, had a very large toxic bucket where somebody else that gets cancer in their 20s, that’s not a very big bucket to play with. Right? And so a lot of times you don’t know this and. But we just, in general, most people aren’t like George Burns. Most people are like, you know, are having some sort of toxicity manifesting much earlier.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
And so it’s our role, it’s my role as a clinician and people like, like me that are in the integrative and health optimization space to go like, okay, what can we do differently here? Like, how can we change the conversation about not just trying to find, you know, early onset of diseases, how can we look to optimize people’s health from the ground up and keep them healthy over the long term? And then there’s all these other sort of spectrums around that. But that’s, that’s kind of how I think about it in clinical practice. And, you know, with the product something like methylene blue, for example, I think about methylene blue as a great bridge for people because it supports mitochondrial function now. And so you want to optimize your diet, your lifestyle, start moving. But if you feel like crap, it’s difficult to do that. So if you have a compound molecule, let’s say we have the Alphabet which has I think 26 letters, last I checked, A to Z, right? If you’re at point A, you feel terrible, right? You, it’s very difficult, right? But if you can get somebody from like letter A to maybe letter H, I, J somewhere around there using something like methylene blue, then all of a sudden, okay, now I have a little bit of energy, I have a little bit of capacity, I can. A little more resilience, my brain fogs a little bit better then the motivation to go, okay, maybe I’ll take a walk today, or maybe I won’t grab that McDonald’s, drive through, maybe I’ll go and, you know, go have a piece of beef that I cooked myself for five minutes on the skillet right there. Small little things can start changing.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
And so that’s where I see methylene blue having a great potential role. And that’s how I use it in clinical practice for the most part. There are other times when people are more optimized. I’ll use it for endurance. I use it for travel because it’s great at supporting people in low oxygen conditions. I use it for people that feel like they’re getting sick because it increases metabolic rate and can again at higher doses Also is an anti infective. But that’s the context that I think of all of our products at transcriptions is to as well. Bert, it’s not just take this and you know, see you in two years.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
It’s not like, let’s take this now, see how you feel, and let’s give you enough reserve enough capacity so that you can take those next steps and truly, you know, change your course and you know, move the needle in a slightly different direction than you’ve been going.
Bert Martinez:
Interesting that, that you started with that, that precursor of energy because Tony Robbins, who a lot of people know when every time he’s asked, how do I reach these, you know, I have these goals, how do I reach them? His first strategy is you must have energy. And it’s such a simple thing. But to your point, if you’re tired and you, you know, you don’t want to do anything, you don’t want to exercise, you don’t want to cook, right? You, you don’t want to do any of those things that you need to do. So energy is number one. All right, so you mentioned high doses and then you just mentioned, you know, somebody might be fighting a cold. So like, if all of a sudden I’m catching a cold, would I double my dose?
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Good question. So it depends on the severity of the cold, but typically to get like an average viral infection, I’m usually recommending. So we have our Just Blue, which is 16 milligrams per troche. Two to three of those a day for the first three or four days would be really helpful. Two full trochees a day, but typically in the morning, maybe twice daily. Maybe in the morning, like you first wake up and maybe early afternoon. It typically gives more energy, so you don’t wanna take it too close to bed. Although when you are sick, it doesn’t seem to have the same energetic effect.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
It’s more just, you know, dealing with inflammation. So we say the max in the, at the just Blue per day you could take is four. Um, usually in somebody that has like an acute, you know, acute viral presentation sickness, I usually have them to be take, you know, two or three a day for, for three to four days and usually does usually really a good job if it’s a more severe infection and then, then maybe a higher dose would be necessary. And we do have a practitioner strength of it called Troplus Blue. And that’s only for practitioners to be able to purchase for their offices or to ship to their patients. But that’s one I use in my Office as well for like more severe infections and more, you know, severe mitochondrial stress as well. So I think that there’s a utility for that to have it and, you know, to work with a practitioner when you have, when you need a higher dose. But in general, as I mentioned, the majority of people that I work with benefit from anywhere between 8 to 16 milligrams, sometimes up to 25 milligrams, either a day or sometimes twice a day, depending on the patient and the person.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
You can dose it twice a day, dose it in the morning, like around 7 or 8 o’ clock in the morning and dose it again. Maybe you’re 12. Around 12 or 1 o’ clock in the afternoon is kind of my common. As I mentioned, if you take it too late in the day, some people will have a hard time sleeping because it gives them more energy. But I have other people that will take it right before they go to bed and they, they get the best sleep ever too. Wow. Because, you know, because sleep is not death, right? You are metabolically active when you’re sleeping. Your brain is functioning especially during REM sleep or your rapid eye movement sleep.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
And so that’s metabolically intensive. And so as a result of that, some people will take methylene blue before they go to bed and have better REM sleep, for example. But I don’t recommend starting it that way. I accidentally gave my wife methylene blue in the evening instead of one of our other products. And she wasn’t very happy with me. It was, I had. Because we have nothing blues blue. And we have another product called Tromune, which is a high strength cordyceps extract called Cordycepin.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Amazing antiviral and antimicrobial. Great for prophylaxis, to prevent you from getting sick when you travel or immediately when you feel like you’re coming on with something. So my wife and I were in Minnesota and I, I had my, my orange glasses on, you know, my blue blockers. And I gave her what I thought was a green trochee, but instead of a green one, it was blue. And how did I know? Well, in the morning she’s like, was it supposed to make my urine blue? That green trochee you gave me? Sorry. You know, and she listens to me for very little already. So that did not give her any votes of confidence in my favor.
Bert Martinez:
Oh my gosh. Yeah.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
But she will take, but, but she will take artoimmune if she’s not feeling well. That’s the only things that she’ll listen to me about. Because that particular product is a high strength cordyceps extract, as I mentioned, and it increases deep sleep. That’s why I was trying to give it to her at night as an antimicrobial, anti inflammatory antioxidant. So I use it at night and my kids use it. It’s like, we call it the green stuff in my house. It’s a green colored trochee, so apple flavored, goes well. And it, and it works really, really well for people that don’t want to get sick, which is, you know, most of us, so.
Bert Martinez:
Most of us. Absolutely, absolutely. All right, so let’s talk about methylene blue. When it comes to, let’s say autoimmune, does it show any effective effectiveness there, like with lupus or some of the other autoimmunes?
Dr. Scott Sherr:
I would, I would kind of phrase it this way, where when you have one of those conditions, you have severe mitochondrial dysfunction. And so it may not be addressing the cause, if there is a cause of the autoimmune condition, which there often is, but it would be addressing the dysfunction that’s happening on the mitochondrial level, which is sort of the base level of how your cells are going to function or not. And so giving some extra support can go a long way at helping you feel better. Will it reverse your autoimmune condition? I don’t think so. Maybe sometimes can help with mitigating symptoms, but it’s certainly something that could be added as a way to help with energy and detox and decreasing inflammation. For sure. Yeah.
Bert Martinez:
Because again, back to the whole energy thing that we’ve been talking about is so important. And if you’re fighting auto, if your body is constantly tired because it’s fighting this autoimmune, and then again, and depending on where you’re at, maybe you’re throwing in some, some, I’ll say, questionable dietary things, which adds to that inflammation, then you really need something to give you a little bit more.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Yeah, I mean, I’ve talked to a number of my fellow colleagues about what do patients complain about the most? And it goes back and forth as, number one, energy, number two, anxiety and flipping. Sometimes it’s number one, anxiety, number two, energy, depending on the clinic and depending on where they are. But I’ve talked to a lot of people. And so these are the number two complaints, number one and two complaints of everybody out there. I want more energy. I don’t want to feel as anxious. Right. We live in a world where energy’s at a premium.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
And as I mentioned, we’re supposed to be making 150 pounds of energy every single day. And where that’s going to show up for most of us is in the brain. And I’ve been thinking about this a lot when I talk, when you’re talking about politics earlier, I think about nuance. We don’t like nuance that much.
Bert Martinez:
Right.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Because it’s energy intensive. Actually. It takes a lot of brain power to think in the gray, think in the nuance. So thinking in black and white, super, super simple, much easier for us to do, takes a lot of less brain energy. So sometimes I think about looking at these pundits and politicians and they’re playing to people with poor energy capacity in their brain, actually, because we want to easy take the easy way out the easy route and go, oh yeah, that’s definitely that, that’s definitely the issue. It’s definitely all because of this or all because of that. Right. But it almost never is.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
There’s almost always the nuance that we need to play in. And that’s not an easy place for be to be, especially if your brain’s not making enough energy. And so if you want to be able to do that better that you have to have better brain energy to be able to do that. And certainly anxiety is a huge piece of this too, where if you’re anxious all the time, you’re always in that fight or flight state. It’s very difficult to heal, to detox, to recover, to sleep. And so if your sleep is screwed, the rest of your life is not going to be awesome. And so one of the places that I always work with people primarily, especially if sleep is a big issue, is their sleep. So, and it’s not just about falling asleep immediately.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
That’s not what sleep is all about. It’s about the architecture of sleep. Are you going through all your stages of sleep? Are you getting deep sleep? Are you getting the four stages of that? You’re getting REM sleep, are you going cycling back and forth? Because that’s what your body does, its recalibration, it, it’s your immune system gets better, your, your brain function gets better, your capacity to balance your sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system gets better. So sleep is a big one for people and so many people can’t sleep these days. And that’s a place where we really have to start, you know, making a lot more efforts. And sleep doesn’t start just when you go to bed either. It starts three hours before you go to bed, really. It really starts in the morning when you wake up, to be honest.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
But Like I’m trying to be, I’m trying to be more, I’m trying to be a little bit more gentle for people and say, like, at least start three hours before you go to bed. Right? And so like, your last meal should be about three hours before you go to bed. You should be eating right. You should be winding your nervous system down three hours before bed. You shouldn’t be scrolling and doom. Scrolling on your phone and watching, you know, your favorite person yell at the screen at you before you go to bed. Or you’re, you know, or you’re, you’re the John Wick Number 75 before you go to bed or whatever it is, you need to calm down your nervous system, right? And then, then there’s, you know, sleep and then there’s all stages and then there’s waking up in the morning. You know, there’s this whole thing.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Right. But right. In the end, you always have to keep it simple. I try to, but always remember that everything’s connected. So how you wake up in the morning is also affecting how you sleep at night. Okay. So it’s all connected in that capacity. And I, and, and it can be overwhelming, as I mentioned, for people, but we start off with the thing that’s the most important to them right now, and then we kind of build from there, you know?
Bert Martinez:
Absolutely, Absolutely. What’s so funny to me too, especially for those of us who have children, we have a, A routine to get our kids to sleep. And so we know that if I want my child to go to sleep, I got to start turning things off.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Huh?
Bert Martinez:
Right. And, and, and we don’t want to stimulate them right before bed. And, and sometimes we’ll even do the reading, bedtime reading, so we can help them relax as adults. We just throw that right out the window.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
I love that analogy. And I haven’t used it. I’m going to. Because that’s perfect, Bert, because you have parents there like, oh God, it’s 7:05. I didn’t start my routine with my child. It was supposed to be at 7 o’. Clock. And but then with them, they’re like, ah, doom scroll.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Good night. You know?
Bert Martinez:
Absolutely.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
I have four kids and it’s like, and none of them are that young anymore, but it’s, it’s perfect. I love that. Thank you for saying.
Bert Martinez:
All right, all right. Thank you. I appreciate that.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
I.
Bert Martinez:
No, look, we have five kids, so they’re all grown, but still we had a routine. And, and, and interestingly enough, to your point of how you wake up or how you go to sleep also, you know, is an indication of how you wake up. And so for us, we started this routine so we got all our kids to bed by 7:30, and that includes the teenagers. And the way we would get them to bed at the teenagers. Teenagers.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Whoa.
Bert Martinez:
And the way we got them to go to bed at 7:30 is we would wake everybody up by 5.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Okay.
Bert Martinez:
And so that was part of the routine. And so it wasn’t just to wake them up. Hey, you’re up. Great. No, it was, we wake up, we have breakfast as a family, we would do meditation as a family, some scripture time, and then we’d play. And so by the end of the week, we have spent more time with our kids playing and doing all this other stuff and making them breakfast versus just, again, inflammatory, crappy food. That, that is, again, part of, you know, cereal, I think, is, is one of those foods that could come with a big black, you know, like they do with cigarettes, a big black warning on it. Right? Yeah, sure, kids, if you love them.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
But anyway, there’s cleaner cigarettes now, but yeah, they’re. Overall, I agree with you. I, I love that. I can’t believe you were able to get any teen janitor to sleep at 7:30, even if they, they were waking up at 5. You ought to try.
Bert Martinez:
So, so let me tell you a story. So my oldest child at that time, he’s 16, he goes, he comes home one day and he goes, dad, I am the only guy in school that goes to bed at 7:30. I’m 16. I should be able to go to bed whenever I want. I said, okay, but I’m still waking you up at 5.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
I had a feeling you were going there.
Bert Martinez:
And so he stayed up one time until like 9:30 or 10. And then of course, the next day he’s dragging and, and he’s up at 5 and he’s, you know, I think he stayed up maybe pretty routinely around till 8. But still, he understood it made a big difference in, in, in how his day went.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Yeah, that’s cool.
Bert Martinez:
Yeah. And again. And I stole that from somebody else. Like, I just thought it was like a, an awesome thing. So let me ask this on a. Because we’ve been talking about again methylene blue, how it affects our energy level. And so not to get super duper technical, but just for, just because I’m curious, we take methylene blue, it gets into the mitochondria, and what’s happening? Is it just cleaning the mitochondria? Is it just giving it more energy? What’s happening at that level.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
The I think the simplest way to think about it is it’s compensating for, for the dysfunction that’s preventing you from making energy and making energy efficiently. Typically, we’re supposed to take electrons from our fat and the carbohydrates that we eat, peel them off using various intermediates and chemical steps. If you looked at it, my colleague likes to call it spaghetti on the, on the window. There’s lots of these pathways that are all inter, all integrated and things like that. My colleague, Dr. Ted but in the end, we’re eating those foods, fat and carbohydrates, to take electrons from that food source, bring it into the mitochondria and make energy from those electrons in a various, in a cycle called the electron transfer chain and, and proton pumps and et cetera, et cetera. The problem is that many of us don’t do that very well anymore. And the, the first couple steps on the mitochondria are taking the electrons from the food.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Those are the ones that gam get damaged the most from pesticides, infections, medications we take on a regular basis. Things like statins. Not saying everybody shouldn’t take a statin, but statins do this. Metformin, proton pump inhibitors, birth control pills that nutrient deplete us or women and cause mitochondrial dysfunction, chronic infection, long Covid, ebv, these things, these are all causing a challenge for us to flow electrons through those chains of proteins the first couple steps. And if you can’t do that, the whole system breaks down. And so what methane blue can do is it can bypass any areas that aren’t working very well and allow electrons to flow better. And it can also at the same time recycle and regenerate a couple of the, the parts of those steps on the mitochondria that help the, the electrons flow better. You can combine also methylene blue with red light therapy.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Red light at the nanometer wavelength, about 680 nanometers. So like your red light panels or you, or you have sunlight as well. So sunlight has red light in it, of course, as all the spectrum of light, but including red light. And that red light also revs up and donates energy to a part of that chain at the end of it of those, those complexes on the mitochondria that are helping you make energy at the same place that methylene blue can do it and they synergize together. So you take your methylene blue, then 45 minutes or an hour later, you go out in the sunlight or you go in front of your red light panel, you’ll feel this significant mitochondrial bump of energy as a result of that. And so just an example of, you know, what we can do here. But in essence, what that’s what methylene blue is doing on the energy side. And then it also, again I mentioned the, in the beginning works like an electric powered vehicle where there’s no exhaust, there’s no waste product at the end, because the energy that you’re making, methylene blue can go in there and actually neutralize any stress from it.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
So that’s what makes it so great. And the key is really to get low doses and your sourcing is absolutely vital here when it comes to a gene. I know you showed a picture of my company transcriptions. Methylene blue is, is often contaminated with heavy metals, especially lead, mercury, cadmium and arsenic. And you don’t want methylene blue with those things because that’s gonna be detrimental to your capacity, your mitochondria, everything else. And so the problem is that a lot of methyl blue on the market is contaminated, even if it says it’s pharmaceutical grade. And we’ve done a lot of testing on other, other companies out there, especially your, your top five or ten on Amazon. Um, liquid, yeah, the liquids are the worst by far.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
The liquids have low potency. So if it says it’s like 10 milligrams per dropper on the label, it’s usually half that. Really. Um, so the, the potency is low and it’s almost always contaminate the heavy metals. And addition, if it says it’s us made, it’s not. I had a company or somebody reached out to me a little while ago. He’s like, hey doc, I, I bought this methylene blue from Amazon. It said it was, said it was made in the United States, but it took three weeks to get through customs.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Oh. And so that is the issue. Right. So it became very trendy in 2025. My company was the first company to create a commercial product back in 2020. So we have a lot more knowledge and a lot more clinical, you know, gravitas around here especially, you know, we are clinicians. I’m a clinician, Dr. Ted on our team.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
You know, he and I have been collectively practitioners and physicians for like 50 years or something ridiculous now. And so we have a lot of clinical heft behind what we do. And we’ve had to throw out, even, even with our quality analysis, quality control process over the year, we’ve had to throw out thousands of dollars worth of our own product. The raw Ingredient because it didn’t meet our specifications. And so it’s a big deal. So what companies often do is they’ll take a supplement ingredient from another country, bring it into the United States and go, oh, this is this. It has a certificate of analysis that comes with it. That must be true, right? But no, right? Not oftentimes.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Not. I mean, it’s not clear how often. But certainly with methylene blue, it can still be contaminated even if the certificate of analysis doesn’t show that. So it’s been something that we get all our ingredients in the United States or we bring them in from Japan and Korea specifically, and we check them, we make sure it’s meeting our specifications. Then only then, when we’ve tested the United States with an independent lab, do we then put it in our product into production. And so what you’re finding on Amazon is not doing any of those things. And so it’s very important to really be aware of that and really trust, you know, with everything you’re getting, not only methylene blue, but almost anything. I don’t recommend anybody buy any supplement from an Amazon warehouse, meaning that prime shipping that we all know and love, not good for supplements, ladies and gentlemen, because there’s tons of counterfeit stuff in those Amazon warehouses and you just don’t know it.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Even if it looks like the bottle, I wouldn’t do it. The only time I recommend at all buying anything on Amazon that’s a supplement is if you’re buying it from the company that’s going to be fulfilling it directly from their warehouse that you trust. We don’t sell on Amazon for a number of different reasons, but in essence, watch out what you’re getting out because you just don’t know. And so we have. Our quality control is some of the best in the business. Like, we, I really do think that really we go, I know we go the extra mile every single time.
Bert Martinez:
And to your point about Amazon, look, Amazon’s great for a lot of things. Quality control, not one of them. And Amazon, because they have literally millions of sellers on there, they don’t have the team or the expertise and they kick people off all the time and there’s bad actors and most of them are from overseas and a lot of them are Chinese products. And, and so to your point. Yeah, I, I’m, I’m with you on that. I will only buy an Amazon product when I’ve done the research and I, and I’ll contact the manufacturer and say, hey, is this your store on Amazon? Or you know, and make that Connection because sometimes the products are a little bit cheaper. But also to your point, I’d rather know that I’m getting the real thing pay a little bit more because you’re ingesting it. And so it’s crazy to me what people will, will do because it’s a little bit cheaper.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Anything for prime shipping. Anything for prime shipping. Right.
Bert Martinez:
So you know, and again look, especially nowadays when gas is going up, food, grocery prices are going up, rent is still going up. However are, you know, we’ve been able to suppress salary.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
So good work.
Bert Martinez:
Yeah, good work guys. Absolutely. Oh, let me ask you about this. What is take on, on fasting or intermittent fasting?
Dr. Scott Sherr:
So I think the main. So to give a little bit of history here, I mean there was. We’ve always fasted until recently, right. Humans didn’t always have food around. It was abundance, sometimes scarcity. Most of the time you had abundant seasons like summer and you had scarce summer, scarce seasons like winter. So our bodies are primed to be in those kinds of states where we have abundance. And when we have the lack of food, however, that’s not what you go in.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
When you go to the grocery store every single day you can buy tropical fruit from some South Pacific country. 24 7, 365. That’s not exactly what our biology has been programmed for. So as a result of that, to mimic what it used to be like to not have as much food around, it is actually very essential for us to not eat sometimes. Now that doesn’t mean you have to eat for three days. That’s, that’s a three day fast. You can certainly do that. That can be helpful in a lot of ways and even five day fast in some cases can be helpful.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
But three days is usually if you’re going a full fast without any food at all. There’s also the fasting mimic diet which is five days but, but in essence I think that most of us need to eat less often. But the aspect most things go. When intermittent fasting really came on the scene about seven or eight years ago, people went to the extremes of it and I think one meal a day, the Omad people, I think it’s usually not enough food for people and often they’re not getting enough protein. So there’s been a bit of a, a ricochet, rebound, boomerang, whatever you want
Bert Martinez:
to call it, where the pendulum swings from one end to the other.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Exactly. So now the big emphasis on protein. So getting enough protein intake every day and I’m a big fan of that. In fact I Think that I always, I dance around not eating too much and also getting enough protein intake for patients. And I think that’s a big one. But I think having periodic times when you don’t eat is also very good psychologically. Actually, it’s very helpful to know that your brain will go into fear mode. But reminding yourself that you’re not going to die if you skip a meal is good for your psychology.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Knowing that you don’t have this brain of yours is not programmed to help you survive until you’re 95. It just helped to help you to survive into the next hour, you know, where’s my food? Kind of deal. So I think that there’s benefits, I know that we know that there’s mitochondrial benefits, there’s inflammatory benefits to not having as much food sometimes. And I’m not, you know, talking about, you know, going one meal a day forever. I mean, having a smaller window where you eat every day could be helpful. Depending on the person. Having a day where you just eat once in a 24 hour period can be helpful. I mean, there’s lots of different ways to play this, but I think in essence the key is to get enough protein and enough calories per day.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
But not eating like every single moment of the day kind of deal. And then having good things along the way, of course, and having, you know, good quality food.
Bert Martinez:
Absolutely. It, and it doesn’t mean that you cannot have sweets. I think that at least for me, I, I kind of reward myself. Right. And so I have a couple of things that I like that I don’t, I don’t think I’m overindulging in. Sure. But, but you know, bottom line is, hey, if I’ then I’m going to, I’m going to reward myself. Now back to your point where we have food all over all the time.
Bert Martinez:
And what’s interesting to me is when you look at some of these labels, it’ll tell you, hey, this, we’re basing this information on 2000 calories a day, which I think for the average person, I want to get your intake on this. I think 2000 calories may be too much, again, depending on their lifestyle. Look, if you’re an athlete, who is that guy, Michael Phelps, where he’s training like, you know, whatever, four or five hours a day and he’s consuming 20,000 calories. That’s a different level.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Right.
Bert Martinez:
As opposed to the average person who’s sitting in front of a computer. And like you said, you know, they, they’re, they’re, they’re commuting. A lot of us are commuting from let’s say the living room to the, to the office right there. You know, just those few steps. I’m thinking 2,000 calories for a lot of people may be too much. What’s your take on, on, on our caloric intake and stuff like that?
Dr. Scott Sherr:
I mean it’s very individualized. I mean 2000 calories is an average and they’ve done these studies over many years, but it’s not, it’s been a while since they’ve done them when people were more active in general. So anywhere between 1600-2000 calories a day is right. For most people, depending on their activity level, their metabolic rate. Um, you don’t wanna go too low either because that also can shift you and your metabolism and, and cause more stress as well. And so you have to be a little bit careful. The, the idea is it’s also kind of important. I think as a corollary to this, it’s not every calorie is equal as we were talking about earlier, right.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
I’m having, you know, good, nutritious, nutrient dense food to get 2,000 calories versus having, you know, McDonald’s and potato chips all day for 2,000 calories is very different. Right. Think about where you’re getting your calories from, not just the, the total amount. So I don’t, I don’t put a lot of stock with my patients typically on the number exactly. I just talk about trying to regain the signals of satiety and also, you know, nutrient dense food. Lead with, nutrient dense stuff, lead with your, with your, with your fiber, lead with your protein, with your meals and then have your carbohydrates at the end, for example. Typically that’s a better way to go for people as a food ordering kind of deal. So that, that’s how I think about it.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
I don’t think about like as an exact number.
Bert Martinez:
Yeah, I, and I agree with that. I think it is, it’s going to be individualized like I was saying before, depending on what your activity level is. And I think also again, your food choices, because you’re right, you can have, you can eat a couple of candy bars and you’ll hit 2, 000 calories. Or you can have some nice fish, steak, whatever, and, and make that last. RFK. RFK Jr. You know, not, not to, not to hide my discontent over our current administration, but I think RFK is really trying. I think that he’s really been going after ingredients and labeling and, and any, any thoughts On.
Bert Martinez:
On. On rfk.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Without getting political here, I think that the main piece that’s been really challenging for me to see is that despite a lot of the efforts on the agricultural side and on the food side, on the chemical side, it’s been really disappointing in the sense of, like, if you’re trying to optimize people until they don’t have red dye number eight, but you’re allowing gloss glyphosate in the food, that drives me crazy. So it’s. It’s. It difficult. Right. I think that. What I think is most important here, Bert, is that we’re having the conversation. We’re talking about certain things.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
And I. I do. I do think sometimes that some of the issues are very. They’re minutia compared to other things, like talking about various small things like getting dyes out of cereal. It’s important, but there’s. There’s bigger issues at play here. Right. I’m.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
I am mostly encouraged by what he’s been trying to do. I think that unfortunately, just. There’s a lot of competing interests, both in his sphere, along with others. The. The farm and Agra worlds, especially, where they don’t have a lot of motivation to go along with what he does, because this is all how they feed the beast. Right? And so it’s. But. But I like that we’re having the conversations finally.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
I like that we’re at least discussing these things and saying, okay, well, what is. What is real? What is real food? I mean, is it. It that everybody should be having as much dairy as he says in the new pyramid? Probably not. Dairy is not the greatest. For most people, protein’s important, but dairy, you know, really. I mean, so. But again, you can’t throw the baby out of the. Out with the proverbial bathwater here.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
I think that there is. There’s positives, right? And the conversation is out there. And so in my world, that’s a good thing. And I. And I’m happy for it. Whether it’s controversial or not. I think, think a lot of the things that he’s talking about are pretty basic. It’s like, well, let’s get people to be less obese and actually do something about it, rather than changing the size of their plate.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Right. That can be. That’s interesting. Right. But it’s not the same thing as, like, okay, let’s. Let’s flip things around and let’s see what happens. And I think doing those kinds of experiments is cool, and I’m. I’m excited for it.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
I mean, he’s you know, RFK is a big fan of methylene blue. For example. He was one of the guys that got. Got this whole thing to go viral, and I know the person who prescribed it to him as well or as a recommendation. And so he’s. He’s all. He’s been a. He’s been a big proponent of some therapies that I’ve been a big fan of for a long time, like hyperbaric oxygen therapy and, and looking at toxicity in our children and, And.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
And a lot of other things. So I think that there’s. There’s a lot of great things that are. That are. That are happening. It just. It’s hard to sometimes see that out of, you know, all the mess that is Washington, all the chaos.
Bert Martinez:
Absolutely. And I think you’re right.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
It’s.
Bert Martinez:
We’re having this conversation. I like. I also like the fact that
Dr. Scott Sherr:
he
Bert Martinez:
is physically active or he seems to be physically active. Yeah, yeah. He keeps a certain level of fitness. I think that’s great because a lot of our. A lot of. A lot of people in his position don’t do that. The. And to your point about, hey, we got rid of this, but we still have this other stuff.
Bert Martinez:
It’s an uphill battle because, for example, the Clisophe, the Roundup, that’s a huge company. They have lobbyists, they. They make money by spraying everything with that stuff. And, and so. So there’s a lot of pushback against that situation. So it’s. It’s definitely an uphill battle. All right, let’s switch the conversation.
Bert Martinez:
I wanted to come back and talk about. Yeah, so what’s in this? When do I use it?
Dr. Scott Sherr:
So the Blue canteen was developed. It’s actually the first product we ever made at transcriptions in 2020. We released it in February of 2020. So. Right. One month before the pandemic or so got started. And what we decided was we wanted to give somebody the most focus, the most capacity for productivity possible for about three to five hours without a downside, without the comedown, without the crash that could happen with things like caffeine or prescription stimulants and things like that. And so the combination of methylene blue at a low dose.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Again, the first commercial product ever with methylene blue is Blue Canteen, at least for a long time. Um, I saw pictures of. Of. Of pharmaceuticals and other things back in the 1950s when they used to use them all the time. But. But in the recent. Recent future. Recent past, that.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
That our product is the first combining methylene blue with with caffeine, just a little bit of caffeine, a quarter cup of coffee equivalent, a little bit of nicotine, just a small amount, and then the. And then CBD as well. And. And nicotine gets a bad rap for good reason. You know, you don’t want to smoke it, you don’t want to vape it. Um, it certainly is addicting when you use it that way. And at high doses, over about 5 milligrams per day can be addicting and cause tolerance. But lower doses, they’re great for the brain.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
They improve cognition, memory, they decrease inflammation in the brain as well, which is a big factor and a big reason why we have so many brain issues now is because of brain inflammation. And so nicotine is great at decreasing inflammation, and it also improves the function of a nerve called the vagus nerve, which is outside your body and helps with relaxation. So low doses are key, but it’s great. I love nicotine as a. As a compound to use for inflammation. We use it in long COVID patients these days a lot as well. And so I think there’s some utility. And in this combination, it’s.
Bert Martinez:
It’s.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
It’s supportive because you have the methylene blue in there. You have the CBD as well, which are really good at brain protecting the brain at the same time as the caffeine and nicotine are more stimulating.
Bert Martinez:
So nicotine in a small dose is actually healthy for us.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
It can be. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
Bert Martinez:
Interesting.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Yeah. As long as you don’t smoke it. As long as you don’t vape it and keep the dose low. Yes. Interesting.
Bert Martinez:
Interesting. Okay, I’ll. That. That blows me away.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
It’ll take a minute. I get it. You can. You can sit with it for a second. Let me know if you have any questions. But what happens when I talk about it online? I mean, I get trolled sometimes because, like, how dare you say nicotine is helpful? I’ve been addicted to cigarettes for 40 years, and I have lung cancer. I’m like, yeah, I wasn’t talking about that kind of nicotine. Right.
Bert Martinez:
But I didn’t say cigarettes are healthy. I said nicotine.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
But I get it. People have a guttural reaction, right? I mean, I learned, like many people, like, nicotine’s the devil, right? It’s gonna. You know, you’re gonna get addicted. It is an addictive chemical for sure. But if you don’t smoke it, you don’t vape it. You have a slow, slow release kind of formula it is, and you keep the dose slow, super low. It is the, the, the data is good that it’s helpful. Right.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
In the ways that I’ve described.
Bert Martinez:
You know, interesting. Speaking of cigarettes, I believe that most of the junk food today is owned by the cigarette companies.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Yeah, that, that was, that was a pivot they made back in the 1970s and 80s. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bert Martinez:
Which is smart on their part. Right. We know. First of all, we’re so good at marketing that we convinced humans that smoking cigarettes is going to be fun and pleasurable and hip and cool. Let’s see what we can do with food. Because they’re the experts at making addictive products. And again, from. And I’m going to be very transparent here.
Bert Martinez:
I own stock in a lot of these companies because they know what they’re doing. Just, just from a transparent but yet financial point of view, it’s not a bad investment. May not be for everybody, but it just shocked me when I did the research and sure enough, man, they. Alcohol, sweets, chips, anything that’s on the, you know, in a bag, on a shelf, they probably own it or have touched it some at one point.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Yeah, they’re actually losing a little bit of market share now because of the GLP1s out, the WeGovies and Ozempics because people aren’t snacking as much now. The new Trend is. Is GLP1 friendly snacks, of course. Right. You know, so that’s. Yeah, they’re trying. They’ll keep trying.
Bert Martinez:
I imagine a GPL one friendly snack is going to be a smaller portion, but at the same price.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
And very highly clerically dense. Yes. Yeah.
Bert Martinez:
Oh, my goodness. I’m having so much fun learning that. All right, last but not least, because we’ve already talked about sleep and how important it is, let’s talk about this product, Troz.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Yeah. So I was alluding to sleep being such a big piece for so many of us, and with the way Troz was developed is to have eight ingredients that comprehensively support sleep. People think about melatonin all the time as the way that they’re going to get to sleep. But melatonin is a signal. But it’s not your only sleep hormone. It’s one of many. So in Troz, we use serotonin support, melatonin support, GABA support, adenosine support and endocannabinoid support. So most people have heard of melatonin.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
It’s your circadian rhythm signal. It helps you time your sleep. It helps with maintenance a little bit. Serotonin is really important because it helps with maintenance of sleep and it also Regulates your mood. Then you have the GABA system. GABA is a system that’s very unrecognized as a huge lever for sleep. GABA is our primary relaxing neurotransmitter. Helps calm down the brain and calms down the firing of the brain.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Many patients, many of us, I mean, are GABA deficient, meaning that we have higher levels of anxiety, depression, insomnia related to low GABA levels. So what we did in Trozi is we combined two different ingredients. One called Hanoki, all from magnolia bark, another one called Agarin, from a mushroom called the Amanita mushroom. It’s a psychedelic mushroom, but not like your psilocybin mushrooms. It’s a very, it’s not. And the dosing that we’re using is very, very low and not psychedelic at all. Um, but it’s a very low dose and it works on the GABA receptor. So we use those in combination.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Then we also are leveraging the adenosine system. Adenosine is a neurotransmitter, has multiple different functions of the body, but as an neurotransmitter, helps you feel sleepy. And so if you drink coffee, coffee blocks your adenosine receptors, giving you more wakefulness. And so what we do is give adenosine directly and we also give something called cordycepin, which is from, from another mushroom called the cordyceps mushroom that increases deep sleep. Cordycepin I mentioned earlier is also in another one of our product called Tromune at a higher dose because cordycep is not only increasing deep sleep, it’s also antiviral, anti micro, it’s anti inflammatory and antioxidant as well. So that’s all in there. And then we also have in Troz, CBD and cbn which are non psychoactive cannabinoids that work on the, on the endocannabinoid systems. Our body’s sort of balancing system in the, in the body, in the brain as well to help balance serotonin and GABA and, and, and firing, et cetera.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
So it’s the most comprehensive sleep product on the market that I’ve seen and it’ll help almost everybody because it’s so comprehensive and it’s very low dose of all the ingredients. So nothing’s gonna like rock you. It’s just low doses of everything and then synergistically working together and you take it about 30 minutes to an hour before you go to bed, ideally as a trochee in the mouth, but you can also swallow it. It’s a Mildly spicy for some people. And so. So people can’t tolerate in the mouth. They can just swallow it. About 30 minutes to an hour before you go to bed.
Bert Martinez:
Excellent. Excellent. Dr. Scott, man, it’s been. It’s been a blast having you on the show. I’d love to bring you back and talk more. And if somebody wanted to find out more about your products, where. Where can they find you at?
Dr. Scott Sherr:
So you can check us out@tro scriptions.com it’s the word trochee and the word prescriptions mashed up into tro Scriptions. And so you can find it@tro scriptions.com on all the socials at transcriptions. We have a YouTube channel at transcriptions as well. That’s pretty. It’s been getting bigger and we have a lot of fun over there. I did a viral video on methylene blue that’s been seen a million and a half times just answering questions about methylene blue. So you can check that out. I think I look terrible in that video, but it goes well on socials.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Um, so you can check it out@troscriptions.com you can check out our Just Blue, which is our pure methylene blue, our blue cannotine, our tro z we talked about. Also our trocombia, which is for relaxation and stress reduction. And then our trimmune, which is for immune system activation. Take it at night and increases deep sleep. I swear by it in my house when I give my wife the right one and not the wrong one. That is as I mentioned earlier. But yeah, check it out@ChoiceCoaches.com and if you’re interested in me, you can find me my. My name, Dr. Scott Sher.com D R S C O T T S H E R R and also on the socials, Rscott Shur. And you can, yeah, check me out and check the things that we do. And thanks for the time. This has been fun.
Bert Martinez:
Absolutely. I’m going to put all these links in the. In the show notes and you guys can reach out to Dr. Scott. Sure. And I’m excited about what you guys are doing and thank you so much for stopping by.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
My pleasure. Enjoy the day.
Bert Martinez:
All right, man, we’re out. That was good stuff.
Dr. Scott Sherr:
Excellent. Well, thanks for having me.
